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#1 OFFLINE   mickjane2

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 10:59 AM

I was listening to the Jeremy Vine show BBC2 on Friday (don't shoot me it was on in our workshop lol.) They had a subject on about new cars fitted with OE LED headlamps and how in the opinion of the driving associations AA and RAC  LED's were blinding drivers of oncoming vehicles. It was said that because the brightness of the lamps it would take your eyes 5 times longer to adjust than if you were blinded by Halogens. I can't say that I have ever had an issue with cars but I certainly have with cyclists when they have half a dozen white LED's on them, it's almost like looking at the sun and there doesn't seem to be any legislation about them.

 

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 11:05 AM

Never had a problem if they are on dip, but do notice cars that have them whether in front or behind but not to my detriment



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Posted 05 January 2020 - 11:08 AM

Properly adjusted leds have much cleaner cutoffs and are less blinding in my view. Now leds fitted to halogen reflectors are a totally different story !!!
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Posted 05 January 2020 - 11:12 AM

Properly adjusted leds have much cleaner cutoffs and are less blinding in my view. Now leds fitted to halogen reflectors are a totally different story !!!

I couldn't agree more NZ but this was about OE LED's.


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 01:18 PM

An interesting discussion, my wife and I have recently been discussing this. From the perspective of looking at them coming towards you they are incredibly bright and piercing. Yes they have a very sharp cut off, but approaching you slightly uphill and from the right they can be absolutely blinding. For this reason my wife has always disliked them as, due to a childhood issue with her eyes, her eyes cannot tolerate very bright light and take a longer than normal time to recover. 

 

However her new car (T-Cross R-line) has LED headlights, and as the driver in the car the light output is superb and clearly lights the road; far more than halogen, and arguably brighter than my bi-xenon (though I do miss my bending round the corner lights, offset a little by the very wide beam spread of the LEDs).

 

I am very conscious of this extra brightness, so do switch to dip just as soon as I see a car coming the other way, or even going the same direction far ahead of me. 


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Posted 06 January 2020 - 04:07 AM

People once said the same thing about halogen headlight bulbs, when they were first introduced, while the industry was still running incadescent bulbs.


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Posted 06 January 2020 - 10:39 PM

There seems to be an escalating battle in headlighting. In Tas where I estimate 25% of vehicles have faulty lights (one headlight so it looks like a motorbike, or one dim/flickering light or just badly adjusted) many vehicles (especially SUVs, utes and soft-roaders), instead of having their OE lights adjusted/fixed, fit light bars which are truly blinding.

 

But even properly adjusted LEDs having intense blinding moments on our bumpy, hilly roads. Meeting a fully lit up logging truck with LEDs blazing on a narrow rural road is not an experience to be missed.


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Posted 06 January 2020 - 10:46 PM

LEDs allow for auto-dipping and even shuttering when following somebody and I suspect that will become the norm with yet another basic function (the need to dip your lights) largely relegated to computer control in the same way gear changes have and even following distances with ACC. Let’s face it the push is towards driverless with all these things being largely automatic.
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Posted 07 January 2020 - 11:51 AM

Properly adjusted leds have much cleaner cutoffs and are less blinding in my view. Now leds fitted to halogen reflectors are a totally different story !!!

 

 

Same opinion, the problem is retrofitting without knowledge about it. 



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Posted 08 January 2020 - 03:37 PM

An interesting discussion, my wife and I have recently been discussing this. From the perspective of looking at them coming towards you they are incredibly bright and piercing. Yes they have a very sharp cut off, but approaching you slightly uphill and from the right they can be absolutely blinding. For this reason my wife has always disliked them as, due to a childhood issue with her eyes, her eyes cannot tolerate very bright light and take a longer than normal time to recover. 

 

However her new car (T-Cross R-line) has LED headlights, and as the driver in the car the light output is superb and clearly lights the road; far more than halogen, and arguably brighter than my bi-xenon (though I do miss my bending round the corner lights, offset a little by the very wide beam spread of the LEDs).

 

I am very conscious of this extra brightness, so do switch to dip just as soon as I see a car coming the other way, or even going the same direction far ahead of me. 

I agree tricky I miss my bendy xenons on my Eos, I have xenons on my A5 but they don't bend they do the xenon dance as do my LED's on my Tig but no bendy round corners lol.

 

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Posted 08 January 2020 - 09:17 PM

Our leds steer around corners, don’t yours ?
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Posted 08 January 2020 - 10:04 PM

LED's "bend" around corners here in Canada. :)

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Posted 08 January 2020 - 10:33 PM

My LEDs bend on my Golf here in the uk but only on low speed manouvers



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Posted 08 January 2020 - 11:07 PM

My R-Line does the low speed with the fog lights left and right but at high speed there are leds that turn with the steering, not certain which part but it’s quite effective on the winding mountain roads we have.
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Posted 09 January 2020 - 09:58 AM

The T-Cross has the mid range LEDs that don't bend. I know the High range on the Tig do but we didn't get those.


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Posted 10 January 2020 - 09:38 AM

We're on a caravan site in Spain, about 100 metres from the beach (as the crow flies). Spent an enjoyable 3 hours+, extending into the evening, changing the ancient outside light for a LED version ("5 minute job" ...). I had a real struggle to get a proper connection, and Mrs Marchie was providing a running commentary on whether the other 12 volt lights on the same circuit were still working. After several "on,off,on off" comments, and a moan about doing a stupid job in the dark and cold, when the lights flashed on and off again, she commented somewhat caustically, "Much more of this and the Spanish Coastguard will think they've got a new lighthouse ...".

There's no retort to that, really :-))

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Posted 10 January 2020 - 12:31 PM

:D  :D 

and from my misses :D  :D  :D


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Posted 10 January 2020 - 01:58 PM

:gathering:

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