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#1 OFFLINE   Plasticman0100

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 01:14 PM

Hi,

 

Very frustrating weekend just past.

I purchased a set of power folding mirrors complete with puddle lights and driver and passenger door modules that support this function and finally the switch for the drivers door.

 

Fitted them over the weekend and both front doors including folding of the mirrors the puddle lights and all function work fine and did so without any reprogramming of any codes. Problem is for some reason when the replacement parts are fitted both rear doors show up as Cannot be reached 1100 when a full VCDS scan is carried out.

 

Obviously this meant the car could not be locked using the central locking function so yesterday had to be converted back.

 

Any body with any ideas if this can be sorted out?

 

Any comments or details would be much appreciated.

 

The car is a 2011 4motion 170 sports model 

 

 



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Posted 28 September 2015 - 01:45 PM

in tiguan you have 2 types of door controllers

  • Independents
  • Master Slave

In my case I have older Tiguan and uses the first one, means that CAN communicates directly to each module

 

You probably have Master-Slave, front doors are Master and rear are slave. The ones you bought for retrofit might be independent, so your slaves wait for message from masters, but never get it.



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Posted 28 September 2015 - 03:54 PM

I went through the same update as you, Plasticman0100, and also had issues with coding and one module reporting as being non-contactable - except that everything on the door concerned was working fine! Unfortunately I can't provide any possible solutions as I had to resort to using my local stealer who got everything working correctly "by resetting it all back to basics and starting again". They had planned for a 2-day job (in case a part needed changing) but got it sorted in 1 hour!

 

I was also a little surprised when you wrote that it all worked without doing any reprogramming. This either points to them being incorrectly coded beforehand, or the BCM's use different codes for the functions you are now using, and by chance you got a match for the new features! Either way, I would suggest taking the route of my stealer and ensure that the codes entered are correct. Also when you wrote that the about the central locking, did you confirm that the rear doors weren't locked, as I read it that you just saw the error and took it that it wouldn't work....


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Posted 28 September 2015 - 04:59 PM

Thank you for the replies so far.

 

Susses Pete i was also surprised that they worked without any coding changes but they did including the puddle lights. The rear central locking and window operation definitely didn't work as I had to park the car close to the side of the house with my sons car close to the other side for Saturday night, for some sort of security, while i did some research that evening with a view to re attempting things again on Sunday. 

 

Could it be I have the wrong modules as n4s indicates?

 

The parts i purchased are as follows:

 

5N2 857 501 AE    I think this is the mirror assembly

 

5N2 857 502 M      the other mirror assembly

 

1K0 959 565 J        the drivers door switch

 

5N0 959 702 G       door module label on the motor

 

3C0 959 792 C       the electronic module

 

5N0 959 701 G       door module label on the motor

 

3C0 959 793 C       the electronic module

 

Can't remember which one was for which side but this was installed correctly as the door opening was correct in the MDF. and I had researched the part numbers before hand to establish the correct sides. 

 

The parts were also for a RHD vehicle so should be no problem there.



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Posted 28 September 2015 - 07:08 PM

Thing's worked because the controller was already coded, the controller is the one that comes with window motor. Probably was a used one that you bought, so it was already coded to the original car.

The part numbers only investigating but if you have vcds log, I now for independent type there is something written like gen3 and for master-slave gen4

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 07:42 PM

Thank you n4s.
I will upload my VCDS full scan log tomorrow showing the issue.
Just for the records I have today cleared all the DTCs and re scanned with no problems being shown

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 08:48 PM

There won't be any issues as the front modules don't know the rear modules are there master-slave Vs independent front modules being seen by CAN (rear modules are currently not seen).

 

Here is my scan if it helps as I have folding mirrors etc (2014 Match)

 

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 701 G    HW: 3C0 959 793 C
   Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0504  
   Revision: 12110009    Serial number: 0009672094
   Coding: 0212B6
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
   VCID: 3957F672B87C51F65A-806C

   Slave Driver:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N0 959 704 F    HW: 3C0 959 795 C
   Component: J389__TSG-HR  009 1504
   Serial number: 00000009332525      
   Coding: 000090

No fault code found.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 702 G    HW: 3C0 959 792 C
   Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0504  
   Revision: 14110009    Serial number: 0009676059
   Coding: 0213B6
   Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
   VCID: 3A55E97EBD7A5AEE53-806E

   Slave Passenger:
   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5N0 959 703 F    HW: 3C0 959 794 C
   Component: J388__TSG-HL  009 1504
   Serial number: 00000009314039      
   Coding: 000090

No fault code found.
 


I am based in South Wales in the UK.

 

 


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Posted 29 September 2015 - 09:01 AM

Morning everyone,

 

Thank you welshkaiboy for the information.

On your scan what do you have at address 62 and 72

 

Here is my current scan with the original modules installed and everything OK 

 

Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 701 D    HW: 5N0 959 701 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2112  
   Coding: 0000700
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 36693801415C5C9
 
No fault code found.
 
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 702 D    HW: 5N0 959 702 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2112  
   Coding: 0000700
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   VCID: 377735054656A51
 
No fault code found.
 
Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 703 D    HW: 5N0 959 703 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2102  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 1012552
   VCID: 387536394B48AA9
 
No fault code found.
 
Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 704 D    HW: 5N0 959 704 D
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2102  
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 1012552
   VCID: 3973333D7042B31
 
No fault code found.
 
 
And here is my scan with the new driver and passenger door modules installed for the folding mirrors etc.
 
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 701 G    HW: 3C0 959 793 C
   Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0504  
   Revision: 12110009    Serial number: 0003313353
   Coding: 0212BE
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X.rod
   VCID: 3973333DB842B31
 
3 Faults Found:
65538 - Local Data Bus 
          U10BA 00 [009] - No Communication
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 231
                    Mileage: 66802 km
                    Date: 2044.14.24
                    Time: 15:16:02
 
66048 - Motor for Front Window Regulator 
          B11EC 54 [008] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 16
 
68108 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
          U1111 00 [008] - -
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 183
                    Mileage: 1818 km
                    Date: 2008.14.29
                    Time: 11:25:16
 
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels: None
   Part No SW: 5N0 959 702 G    HW: 3C0 959 792 C
   Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0504  
   Revision: 14110009    Serial number: 0003385166
   Coding: 0213BE
   Shop #: WSC 01324 020 00200
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001
   ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X_VW36.rod
   VCID: 3A712C31BD44B89
 
4 Faults Found:
65538 - Local Data Bus 
          U10BA 00 [009] - No Communication
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 231
                    Mileage: 66803 km
                    Date: 2044.14.25
                    Time: 00:00:05
 
66048 - Motor for Front Window Regulator 
          B11EC 54 [009] - Missing Calibration / Basic Setting
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 7
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 231
 
66821 - Position Sensor for Mirror Adjustment 
          B11FA 29 [008] - Signal Implausible
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 16
                    Mileage: 66803 km
                    Date: 2044.14.25
                    Time: 00:00:02
 
68108 - Function Restricted due to Missing Message(s) 
          U1111 00 [008] - -
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 6
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 183
                    Mileage: 1818 km
                    Date: 2008.14.29
                    Time: 11:25:16
 
Address 62: Door, Rear Left
Cannot be reached
 
Address 72: Door, Rear Right
Cannot be reached
 
 

Again any help or advice would be much appreciated. 



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Posted 29 September 2015 - 09:56 AM

What I see:

 

 

You have Gen3 and new ones are Gen4. The CAN see that new ones are Gen4 so uses front doors to contact the rear doors, not directly, and it fails to communicate.

 

As I don't know any other solution I would buy new controller Gen3 Type, this are mines:

Part No SW: 5N0 959 701 C    HW: 5N0 959 701 C

Part No SW: 5N0 959 702 C    HW: 5N0 959 702 C



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Posted 29 September 2015 - 08:42 PM

I have nothing at 62 & 72 as my guess s that these are the slave's. I have just status OK in the list at the beginning of the scan.


I am based in South Wales in the UK.

 

 


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Posted 29 September 2015 - 08:44 PM

Hi all.
Thank you n4s
Slowly beginning to understand but how do you identify which ones are which
For example are these suitable or are these from another type of Vag vehicle such as Audi Scoda or Seat
1T0 959 702 S
1T0 959 701 AF

As always any guidance will be appreciated

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Posted 29 September 2015 - 09:15 PM

1T0 will be the model, maybe seat. Tiguan is 5N0, golf V is 1K0, golf VI 5K0.

Might work with seat but check if seat has puddle lights.

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Posted 30 September 2015 - 07:22 AM

Thanks again n4s

 

They are advertised as having puddle lights, but not clear on what model they came from.

 

Do you know if they are definitely the Gen3 type? 



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Posted 01 October 2015 - 02:16 PM

I had the same issue with my Tiguan 2011 pre-facelift. I installed the modules 5N0 959 792A and 5N0 959 793A, everything worked well, but the rear doors did not go on lock. 



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Posted 05 October 2015 - 10:20 AM

I think the module 5KD 959 793a will do the magic for me..



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Posted 24 October 2015 - 12:05 PM

OK. Still frustrated.
Fitted two new electronic modules 5k0 959 793 C to drivers door and 5K0 959 793 A to the passenger door,re coded both to 0004798 and all works well apart from the fact the mirrors fold when in the unfolded positions on the switch and unfold when the switch is in the fold position.

Any thoughts or ideas as usual would be much appreciated.

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Posted 24 October 2015 - 12:07 PM

Sorry should have said 5K0 959 792 A to the passenger door.

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Posted 24 October 2015 - 10:26 PM

With help of our Russian friends I found this info for door modules

 

 

15dqwio.jpg

and the codings presented:

30hng3o.jpg

 

Means Tiguan D3 1101 0011 and Golf 1100 0010, 2nd bit is the same for both, shouldn't be reversed

 

Check also this 

http://www.mytiguan....and-bobs/page-9

 

You will see what the tag shows in the module is not the same you see in vcds.

It appears I have similar module to yours, check if it's 5KD because Mickjane had the same problem. I start to believe it's a problem of that module when RHD is active.

I would say you have 4 possibilities (LHD 5 door, RHD 5 door, LHD 3 door and RHD 3 door) and all of them are in memory positions. I think that for 5KD, which is specific for China, they didn't changed the eeprom part of RHD.

 

source: http://skodapilot.co...-mirror-part-2/



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Posted 25 October 2015 - 09:45 AM

With help of our Russian friends I found this info for door modules

 

 

15dqwio.jpg

and the codings presented:

30hng3o.jpg

 

Means Tiguan D3 1101 0011 and Golf 1100 0010, 2nd bit is the same for both, shouldn't be reversed

 

Check also this 

http://www.mytiguan....and-bobs/page-9

 

You will see what the tag shows in the module is not the same you see in vcds.

It appears I have similar module to yours, check if it's 5KD because Mickjane had the same problem. I start to believe it's a problem of that module when RHD is active.

I would say you have 4 possibilities (LHD 5 door, RHD 5 door, LHD 3 door and RHD 3 door) and all of them are in memory positions. I think that for 5KD, which is specific for China, they didn't changed the eeprom part of RHD.

 

source: http://skodapilot.co...-mirror-part-2/

Hi Ruben that's a great find and very helpful, but is there away round this RHD/LHD problem on the Chines door BCM,s. 

 

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Posted 25 October 2015 - 02:05 PM

Hi Ruben that's a great find and very helpful, but is there away round this RHD/LHD problem on the Chines door BCM,s. 

 

Mick

 

Mick, I'm going to test this on my car, the activation of light with mirror closed. I was given 3 positions on the eeprom where this should be possible.

 

This can't be done with VCDS, so you're a little limited.

 

The best I can do for you is: if I'm successful with my changes, you send me your module and I code it for you and send you back.

As an exercise, I know it's a pain to remove door but you could try to code as LHD and see if mirror close with remote?






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